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Help! 4 Days and No Action!

Postby lbcsrw » Tue May 04, 2010 2:12 pm

I am a rookie! I cooked up my third batch of wort, a Kolsch recipe, on Friday afternoon, and pitched yeast around 5 PM. It was a 10 gallon batch, added to two 5 gallon plastic fermenting buckets.

There were several things that may have effected the process:

1) The yeast had sat out for 24 hours. (I forgot to put it in the fridge.) Some of that time, prior to pitching, may have been in the sun.

2) I used bottled water... Evian specifically, for about 2 thirds of the total mix.

3) I used a no rinse sanitizer from Smart & Final, not the typical concentrated liquid stuff I get from my local brewing supply house. I followed the directions carefully, though, and made sure the concentration was appropriate for the use.

I've been checking on the buckets every day, and one of the locks seemed to be building up a little bit of pressure, but really no bubbles, no action...

I would hate to think that, after all that effort and expense, the wort is just ruined. What are my options? Please advise!
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Re: Help! 4 Days and No Action!

Postby curlyfat » Tue May 04, 2010 5:05 pm

Here are my thoughts:

lbcsrw wrote:I am a rookie! I cooked up my third batch of wort, a Kolsch recipe, on Friday afternoon, and pitched yeast around 5 PM. It was a 10 gallon batch, added to two 5 gallon plastic fermenting buckets.

There were several things that may have effected the process:

1) The yeast had sat out for 24 hours. (I forgot to put it in the fridge.) Some of that time, prior to pitching, may have been in the sun.
Was this a liquid yeast, or dry? Either way you're probably ok, but the sun part scares me a little bit.

2) I used bottled water... Evian specifically, for about 2 thirds of the total mix.
I don't see a problem with this at all.

3) I used a no rinse sanitizer from Smart & Final, not the typical concentrated liquid stuff I get from my local brewing supply house. I followed the directions carefully, though, and made sure the concentration was appropriate for the use.
No Experience with this sanitizer. Some sanitizers used in food service are "persistent", meaning they keep working on the surface even after it drys. Not a good thing for brewing yeast.

I've been checking on the buckets every day, and one of the locks seemed to be building up a little bit of pressure, but really no bubbles, no action...
A classic problem with buckets is that the lids don't always seal completely. It can cause unnecessary stress (relax, don't worry).

I would hate to think that, after all that effort and expense, the wort is just ruined. What are my options? Please advise!


I doubt your batch is ruined. I would carefully open the lid (sanitize everything surrounding it if possible), and check for signs of fermentation. It should be pretty obvious. The ultimate test is to drop your (sanitized) hydrometer in the bucket and see if your gravity is dropping. However, at this stage, if it's fermenting there should be a pretty healthy Krausen on top (thick foamy stuff).
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Re: Help! 4 Days and No Action!

Postby lbcsrw » Tue May 04, 2010 5:09 pm

Thank you, sincerely, for your reply!

It was WL029, liquid, I believe.

I did consider that the bucket might not be completely sealed... I wish there were a way to know.

I guess I'll take a peek into the bucket.

So, if the yeast was killed... what then?
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Re: Help! 4 Days and No Action!

Postby GuitarLord5000 » Tue May 04, 2010 8:18 pm

Go to a local homebrew shop, pick up a couple packets of Nottingham, and repitch.

But seriously, check for fermentation first. Buckets failing to seal is a notorious problem. I think we see it on this forum every other week.

Couple quick questions... Did you pitch a tube of yeast into each bucket, or did you try to split one tube of yeast between both 5 gallon batches? Did you pick up the yeast from a local homebrew shop, or from an online supplier? If you bought it online, did you make sure to have them shipped with ice packs?

I love White Labs. Anyone who talks yeast with me knows that I'm a WLP fan. However, I don't buy White Labs yeast online during the hot months. Out of the last 5 tubes I purchased, I had only one (1) that was still viable. And that one still required a starter to bring up the cell count to pitchable quantities. Granted, I live in South Louisiana, where temps even now are already in the mid 90's so as they say, your mileage may vary.
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Re: Help! 4 Days and No Action!

Postby lbcsrw » Tue May 04, 2010 8:23 pm

I purchased two tubes from my local brew shop.

Sadly, they don't reopen until tomorrow.

I'm 99% sure that the yeast didn't take, but I'll check anyway.

Thanks for sharing your insights and experience! I'm hoping for the best...
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Re: Help! 4 Days and No Action!

Postby And1129 » Tue May 04, 2010 11:33 pm

lbcsrw wrote:
I wish there were a way to know.



There is a way to tell. It may be a bit risky, but ultimatly worth it. Just do the same bubble test people do for keg lines and bicycle tires. Mix up a soap/water solution, put it around the seal or any other suspicias areas, and if there is a leak, you will see bubbles coming from the lid seal. If not, then there's no harm done and you have a good seal.
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Re: Help! 4 Days and No Action!

Postby lbcsrw » Wed May 05, 2010 12:14 am

I've still not opened the buckets. There's really nothing I can do until my brew shop opens, late tomorrow morning. Also, I can see how one bucket might have had a poor seal, but not both. That seems highly unlikely to me, especially considering that I was pretty careful about sealing the buckets after pitching. My plan, now, is to check the buckets briefly, and then head over to get some more yeast. I suspect that, in leaving the yeast out, it was damaged or killed. Hopefully, by repitching, I can rescue the batch and not wind up with infected or otherwise compromised beer.

*crosses fingers*

Anyway, thanks so much for all the help, and I'll be sure to report back what I discover once I peek inside.

Peace!

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Re: Help! 4 Days and No Action!

Postby lbcsrw » Sun May 16, 2010 4:05 pm

FYI, it appears that it was, in fact, the lid seal. Fermentation went as planned, and bottling will take place tomorrow.

Thank you all for your kindness, concern, wisdom, and understanding. I'm still very new to this, and look forward to expanding my knowledge and experience... one beer at a time!

Peace,

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